China and Russia are spying in ways you didn’t imagine

Spy networks operating in China and Russia are working to counter efforts by the CIA – and they play by a different set of rules. Calder Walton is assistant director of the Applied History Project and the Intelligence Project at the Harvard Kennedy School’s Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs. He joins host Krys Boyd to discuss spy networks post-Cold War and the new methods, like disinformation and cyberwarfare, that are being deployed. His article in Foreign Affairs is “The New Spy Wars.”