Mary-Frances Winters, president and CEO of diversity and inclusion consulting firm The Winters Group, joins us to discuss the exhaustion that comes with constantly fighting for a seat at the table, especially amid white fragility and empty promises for change.
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Cathy Park Hong, poetry editor of the New Republic and a professor at Rutgers-Newark University, joins us to talk about the stereotypes, suspicions, successes and fears wrapped up in her identity.
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